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What happened in Italy (no media coverage).

Φεβρουαρίου 24, 2009 Σχολιάστε Go to comments

Fiamma Nirenstein, a journalist and some-time resident of Jerusalem , is a new Member of the Italian Parliament who is outspoken on Israel ‘s behalf. She writes below that there is increasing understanding of what Israel is facing in its current war against Hamas.


Dear Friends,

We didn’t expect what you see in this picture. This is the square of the Italian Parliament in Rome , Piazza Montecitorio: You can see the Palace on top of the square, and in front a lot of Israeli flags. That was last night from 6,30 to 9,30 pm. What you cannot see here, is the extraordinary number of members of Parliament, about 100 from all political sides, that took the stage during this time: for about three hours we were speaking about the role of Israel, its right to self defense, its moral height, its fight on behalf of us all, of our civilization and values, against the wild hate of the Islamic jihad represented by Hamas.

It seems to me that for the first time in the too long history of the Arab/Israeli conflict, apart from a minority of crazy leftists and fascists that took the street with anti-Semitic slogans, we have achieved a huge consensus on one critical point: this is not a local conflict, there is nothing in it that reminds us of a peace theme that has characterized the Palestinian issue. This is an attack against the western world, and Iran is behind it.

The change of attitude is great: the terrorist and religious nature of Hamas and the democratic, civilized nature of Israel are seen face to face for what they really are at least by the European elite at large, dead and wounded notwithstanding, and there rises an identification with Israel against a regime that uses human shields and promises slaughter of Jews in its charter.

What happens today, at least in Italy , is the defeat and fall of the leftist ideologies: ideology that has allowed justification of all the most violent crimes and most disgusting verbal attacks. If Arafat launched the terrorist Intifada, if he promoted the martyrdom of children in public speeches, the ideologists were ready to justify him with the issues of occupation, the Palestinian misery and loss of any hope. Not so with Hamas.

History, in Italy , has brought to a profound crisis the ideology of revolution and the justification of any cruel attack against a so-called unjust imperialist order. That time is over, nobody will see Hamas as the resolution of the problem and not even as the problem itself. I think that the word «peace» has lost that healing meaning that it once had. The new non-ideological point of view sees that there is no peace when one of the contenders doesn’t want it, and that even if the world in the short run asks for a truce, in the long run it hopes for the defeat of Hamas.

Last night, many people, Ministers and Members of Parliament, composed a very new, interesting mix of opinions. I think that when you are not overwhelmed by exotic thirdworldism, the images of children educated as hate machines, the speeches of jihad leaders, from Ahmadinejad to Nasrallah, to Hanje, that deny the holocaust and promise death to Jewish and Christians alike, you are left only with disgust. Westerners, thank God, can still be disgusted by uncivilized levels of political speech.

But most of all, in the Parliament square, many of the Parliament Members said: «I love Israel «.

You can’t imagine how many.
Fiamma Nirenstein

  1. Anonymous
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 7:16 πμ

    the Israeli Council- MOSSAD «κ.ι.ς» undermines the Greece and promotes TERRORISM AND Anarchy BY Jewish Socialists-FEMINIST’S TSANT MINEIKO-PASOK AND LEVI, ALEKO ALABANO-SY.R.I.ZA

  2. Israelman
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 7:29 πμ

    Anonymous,…And aliens have landed in Athens…First: Learn English. Your comment does not make any sense. Second: Even if we try to understand what you are trying to say, again the comments do not make any sense. They have a single phrase which includes a bunch of totally unrelated groups and organizations. Third: would appreciate if you logged on and left comments not as anonymous.

  3. Anonymous
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 7:31 πμ

    the terrorist organisation ‘ revolutionary fight » the anarhycommunist » revolt » of December also the murder of alex is manufactured from the mossad and masonic halls in order to destroy greece… to destroy europe!!!!!!

  4. Israelman
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 7:36 πμ

    Anonymous,You are truly insane! hahahaha 🙂

  5. Anonymous
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 7:50 πμ

    WAIT ISRAMANPerhaps it is the case!!!!… SAME IN TURKEY http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php?t=12227A ‘rabbi’ in the underground By Zvi Bar’el Tags: Ergenekon, turkey Daniel Levi, Daniel Guney or Tuncay Guney? Who is this person whom the prosecution in Turkey last week said it wanted to summon to interrogate? According to reports in the Turkish newspaper Milliyet, he is a Mossad agent who was a member of the right-wing nationalist underground known as Ergenekon. It is alleged that Ergenekon planned to topple the pro-Islamic government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Another Turkish newspaper, Yeni Safak, reported that documents were found in Guney’s apartment that allegedly link members of Israel’s business community with important Turkish figures also involved in the Ergenekon affair. According to other reports in the Turkish press, Guney was an agent of the Turkish intelligence service who penetrated both the ranks of the Turkish police’s intelligence service and the Ergenekon organization so as to expose the identity of its members. In 2004, Guney was smuggled out of Turkey and clandestinely sent to the United States; he subsequently moved to Canada, where his name appears in the membership list of Congregation Beit Yaakov as Daniel T. Guney. Advertisement An attempt to obtain Guney’s reaction proved fruitless; however, last week, the 36-year-old Guney spoke with Turkish journalists and reacted to the accusations: «I have never been an intelligence agent, and I was given the name ‘Silk’ not because I was an agent but because I was the subject of intelligence surveillance.» That is not what the National Intelligence Organization, for which Guney apparently worked, is saying; it denies that he was one of its agents and that he penetrated both the ranks of the Turkish police’s intelligence service and Turkey’s counterterrorism unit. The latter agency was a division of the National Intelligence Organization but was dismantled in the wake of allegations that it was involved in criminal activities and even played a role in the assassination of political opponents. Despite the denial, it seems apparent that the allegations are true; a Turkish court is now demanding that the National Intelligence Organization report to it on its links with this suspected agent, who is now being referred to as «the rabbi.» It is doubtful that Guney is actually a rabbi; the child of xxxs of Egyptian origin, he worked as a journalist in Turkey. He subsequently began to deal in the sale of stolen cars and, between the time he was smuggled out of Turkey to the present day, he does not seem to have engaged in any academic program that might have included rabbinical studies. However, that has not stopped Turkish newspapers from labeling him as a Mossad agent-cum-rabbi who supposedly worked for Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization. The Ergenekon underground (the name is derived from Turkish mythology) was uncovered last year. According to the evidence of written material and tape transcripts, which are contained in a 2,500-page document, the underground included army officers, retired officers, journalists, writers, government employees and members of the Turkish business community – in short, a sort of secret shadow government. Its ideology was the restoration of the secular Turkey that was envisaged by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic and its first president. For the members of Ergenekon, Turkey became a theocratic state with the installation of the government of Erdogan and the party he heads, the Justice and Development Party (AKP). The fact that the affair exploded just before the Turkish Constitutional Court was about to decide whether the AKP regime should continue did arouse suspicions that the affair was being manipulated to defend the party; however, as the investigation progressed, it became increasingly evident that the underground is far more complex than was initially thought. Last month, 86 individuals suspected of membership in Ergenekon went on trial, and evidence is now emerging on the way Turkey’s counterterrorism unit and its National Intelligence Organization have been operating. In an interview with the Turkish newspaper Today’s Zaman, Ertugrul Guven, former deputy undersecretary of the National Intelligence Organization in the 1990s, states that the various branches of Turkey’s intelligence mechanism (there are at least five) did not coordinate the exchange of data between them and that, in point of fact, there was no mechanism for data exchange between the branches simply because of jealousy. «As a result, information-gathering in Turkey has a major Achilles’ heel,» explains Guven, who alleges that in the past, especially in the 1980s, Turkish diplomats were assassinated by Armenian terrorists, and that some foreign espionage agencies tended to ignore the actions of these terrorists. «Turkey,» he points out, «was forced to develop a policy for dealing with these attacks. This is perhaps the reason why the National Intelligence Organization used the services of individuals with strong nationalist feelings to thwart the assassination plots fomented by Armenian terrorists. However, these people continue to engage in illegal activities and adopted a Mafia-style modus operandi. They continue to use the name of the National Intelligence Organization, although their membership in that intelligence service ended when their mission was completed.» The uncovering of the operational methods of the National Intelligence Organization and the admission that it employed criminals do not constitute anything new for the majority of Turkey’s citizens. Over the past decade, the media has publicized criminal scandals involving members of Turkey’s police, army and intelligence services, and the various reports have created the feeling that two or even three parallel governments are operating in the country. Even today, when the wave of arrests attests to the scope of involvement in the Ergenekon affair, the prosecution in Turkey is finding it difficult to determine who are the organization’s leaders and whether there might not be another network or branch of Ergenekon that has yet to be uncovered. In the meantime, several political leaders who are members of the country’s nationalist parties have declared that they have begun the process of purging extreme nationalists from the ranks of their respective parties. Nonetheless, there is no guarantee that those who are leaving, or will leave, the official parties will not set up their own secret organization and continue their activities. ——

  6. Anonymous
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 8:01 πμ

    sorry…And aliens form moon have landed in china… hahahahahaha:) listen astrix… and don’t use drugs my nazi friend אלוהים is music

  7. Anonymous
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 8:29 πμ

    Pragmatic WitnessJanuary 6, 2009Report: Mossad behind Ergenekon plotFiled under: Turkey, conspiracy, mossad, political parasitism — whitewraithe @ 2:14 am Tags: Ergenekon plot, Israel, mossad, Turkeyhttp://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/report-mossad-behind-ergenekon-plot/

  8. Anonymous
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 8:35 πμ

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_IvinsBruce Edwards Ivins (April 22, 1946 – July 29, 2008)[1] was a microbiologist, vaccinologist[1], senior biodefense researcher at the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) in Fort Detrick, Maryland and a key investigator in the 2001 anthrax attacks.[2]He apparently committed suicide prior to formal charges being filed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for an alleged criminal connection to the 2001 anthrax attacks.[3][4][5] At a news conference at the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) on August 6, 2008, FBI and DOJ officials formally announced that the Government had concluded that Ivins was likely to have been solely responsible for «the deaths of five persons, and the injury of dozens of others, resulting from the mailings of several anonymous letters to members of Congress and members of the media in September and October, 2001, which letters contained Bacillus anthracis, commonly referred to as anthrax.»[6][7]

  9. Israelman
    Μαρτίου 10, 2009 στο 9:07 πμ

    You filled the comment section with trash – totally unrelated to the article. What does the Anthrax stuff you wright above have to do with the Pro-Israel Italian event – or how is the Anthrax stuff even remotely related to anything Israeli.

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